Lirik
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Post by Lirik on Oct 20, 2014 9:52:47 GMT
Here is the thread to discuss steps we are going to make soon.
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Lirik
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Post by Lirik on Oct 27, 2014 4:41:34 GMT
UPD of October 27, 2014.We are to start. Congratulations! As you can get from an official submission we know about Celeres failure. 1) Organizational questions. reddreamer, soulreaper6199 are you still with us? I think it is better for us to describe other soldiers of our faction. Now only about 800 out of 1800 were described. Maybe, general features only. 2) Long term goals. Take a G.E.C.K from Minerva. Get to know where it is stored, protection systems and guards there are. Get information about the machine creators. MAybe they have something usefu; 3) Short term goals. Get to know what is going on. Think about possible opportunities for cooperation/assault. Possible actions: Send trade caravans accompanied by diplomat to Sons and Temples for trading and collecting rumors. Look for any signs of preparations for attack. Someone have to protect them of course. Diplomats are to establish relations, maybe try to sign a non-aggression agreement. Send scouts to Minerva’s territory. Try to avoid battles, just watching. Do something to stop other factions’ spies. Tribes are always on the move, so there might be no need to patrol territories in the middle. Maybe to establish some frontier guard-posts on main roads and several groups to patrol small paths. Start mobilization. Think about possible ways to attack.
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Post by Admin on Oct 27, 2014 13:20:43 GMT
Sounds like good plans. What is a GECK?
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Lirik
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Post by Lirik on Oct 27, 2014 17:02:47 GMT
G.E.C.K - Garden of Eden Creation Kit. A technology for recultivating desert and radioactive areas from Fallout universe. Just not to write "Minerva's technology for recultivating desert and radioactive areas".
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Post by Admin on Oct 27, 2014 17:34:38 GMT
Ah perfect. Makes sense  |
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Oct 27, 2014 19:23:33 GMT
reddreamer, soulreaper6199 are you still with us?I should be able to ask in real life to soulreaper6199I think it is better for us to describe other soldiers of our faction. Now only about 800 out of 1800 were described. Maybe, general features only.General features, I agree, yes. Let's be opened for later players, no ? Shall we plan them in the General planning of our board ? If yes, I'll let you ( Lirik) go first x) Take a G.E.C.K from Minerva. Get to know where it is stored, protection systems and guards there are. Get information about the machine creators.
MAybe they have something usefu;I totally agree. And we could take over Jane for logistic and management of the project. Or at least my tribe's men could steal her  (Whatcha think, Admin ?) Send trade caravans accompanied by diplomat to Sons and Temples for trading and collecting rumors. Look for any signs of preparations for attack. Someone have to protect them of course. Diplomats are to establish relations, maybe try to sign a non-aggression agreement.I'm not really sure... Maybe we should go as fast as we can to Minerva HQ and let the guards deal with other threats. I mean, my guys could totally send their troops on a quick assault without making any dilpomatic stuff. Trades, maybe yes, cuz Turkmen live from that. But loosing energy and soldiers in diplomacy... The only good diplomacy is a "freedom bringer" !
Send scouts to Minerva’s territory. Try to avoid battles, just watching. I think this should be our main aim. We should send scouts the deepest in Minerva territory we could. Even if they're not back in few days but take one week or so. Do something to stop other factions’ spies. Tribes are always on the move, so there might be no need to patrol territories in the middle. Maybe to establish some frontier guard-posts on main roads and several groups to patrol small paths.
Maybe I'm weird but I'm thinking on traps. Like small tribes protecting the big ones by making some ambushes and making some "fortress". You understand ? Fortified shelters, like what they did for the Maginot Line in France, in 1939. A line of bunkers with machine guns and so. Big tribes could send materials to smal oens to do this. Start mobilization. Think about possible ways to attack.Yep. Where should we join, for example ? Then, we shoudl try to steal some bio-diesel from Minerva. My tribe really need it for its vehicles. Finally, as I said, the best way to attack is to run quick and fast to the MInerva HQ.
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Lirik
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Post by Lirik on Oct 28, 2014 4:50:58 GMT
Let's be opened for later players, no ?
Ok. I hope they will join.
Maybe we should go as fast as we can to Minerva HQ and let the guards deal with other threats.
Today (late summer), your scouts bring back word that troop movement and activity in Minervan territory is much much lower than normal.
I think that they are consolidating all their forces at their HQ. In my opinion they will heal wounded, repair their vehicles and then go out. We may face all their forces in well-fortified positions. Rush tactic works with weak enemy.
Fortified shelters, like what they did for the Maginot Line in France, in 1939. A line of bunkers with machine guns and so.
It took them about 5 years and 3 billion francs to build the Maginot Line. They used different machinery and equipment. And it was broken by Germans. We may fortify (somehow) shelters we already have. Dig a deeper draw-wells to have extra water, for example. Set traps around (deep hidden hole is the simpliest), organise ambushes as you said, build banks (I'm not sure it will work with desert sand)... We may also try to make something like Romans' concrete.
Where should we join, for example?
I don’t know. We should choose the direction for attack first.
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Oct 28, 2014 18:00:44 GMT
I hope they will join.
Yeah I hope too.
I think that they are consolidating all their forces at their HQ. In my opinion they will heal wounded, repair their vehicles and then go out. We may face all their forces in well-fortified positions. Rush tactic works with weak enemy.
Okay. I think you might be right. So, what do we do ? Do we just gather our forces and wait ?
Or shall we advance toward Minerva HQ ?
Or raid small villages near us ?
And let's not forget about that bio-fuel. My tribe really f***in' need it.
It took them about 5 years and 3 billion francs to build the Maginot Line.
Damn I think we can't do it then.
And it was broken by Germans.
It has never been broken. Germans just went round it xD
We may fortify (somehow) shelters we already have. Dig a deeper draw-wells to have extra water, for example. Set traps around (deep hidden hole is the simpliest), organise ambushes as you said,
Okay, yeah, let's do that. Fortifying our shelters might be the good option.
build banks
Do you really think it's the right time to start an economic center ? xD
We may also try to make something like Romans' concrete.
What do you mean ?
We should choose the direction for attack first.
Okay. I propose to attack the villages or the cities in the direction of and finnally in Urganch, in Uzbekistan.
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Lirik
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Post by Lirik on Oct 29, 2014 7:34:21 GMT
It has never been broken. Germans just went round it xD
Wikipedia says it was broken somewhere on Belgium border, but anyway. Do you really think it's the right time to start an economic center ? xD
I mean something like that:  and use something else instead of trees. What do you mean ?
Roman concrete. But it reqires some water. Okay. I propose to attack the villages or the cities in the direction of and finnally in Urganch, in Uzbekistan.
Attack villages situated near border. Ok
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Oct 29, 2014 9:10:05 GMT
somewhere on Belgium
On Belgium there was no Maginot Line. It was easy for the Wehrmacht to go through it ^^
"as well as through the Ardennes Forest, which lay north of the main French defences. Thus the Germans were able to avoid a direct assault on the Maginot Line by violating the neutrality of Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands."
Excerpt from Wikipedia, english page.
something like that:
Okay, I see. Like little fortress in the sands, yeah. So could we build it with that Roman concrete you tink about ?
Where will we build them exactly ?
something else instead of trees.
I'm thinking of metal bars found in the abandoned cities. Do to some kind of anti-tank barrier. You know, the Czech hedgehog. It could suit it, no ? Or to do some Dragon's teeth.
Roman concrete. But it reqires some water.
Okay, but how much do we need of this concrete ? And where will we make it ? In all big shelters or only in one site or two ?
And we need to know how much people will make it and how much long.
Attack villages situated near border. Ok.
Yep. So, maybe we should meet a bit norther to my main bunker in Ashgabat.
What do you think ?
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Lirik
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Post by Lirik on Oct 29, 2014 11:29:46 GMT
So could we build it with that Roman concrete you think about? Where will we build them exactly ?
We can build it as a fence around big vaults that are not far away from border. It is no use to protect vault hidden in the desert. And for concrete… Not to translate all my science of materials summaries, I’ll just say that sand in desert is different from one we have in sandboxes. It consist of smaller, drier and more roundish (or even spherical) particles abs it is difficult to use it for needs of construction. Some desert regions even have to buy sand for building. So it no use to just dig a hole and make a sand wall. It ‘ll be soon destroyed by wind. So we need to fasten particles of sand in the wall in some way. To build two walls and put sand between them. Or use thin lay of concrete for wall to maintain the shape. Add a piece of game magic and it will work. It can easily be destroyed by tank, but may help against bullets. Not to build anything and relay on ours vaults walls is also an opportunity.
Okay, but how much do we need of this concrete ? And we need to know how much people will make it and how much long.
Have no idea. Costs estimation lessons were a couple of years ago. If only women and children will take part in, maybe about a month or two.
And where will we make it? In all big shelters or only in one site or two ?
I think it might be useful to fortify shelters on the borders. On the border with Minerva especially.
I'm thinking of metal bars found in the abandoned cities. Do to some kind of anti-tank barrier. You know, the Czech hedgehog. It could suit it, no ? Or to do some Dragon's teeth.
I don’t think that we might be attacked by tank in desert and it won’t stop Minerva’s vehicles. Their wheels are big enough.
Yep. So, maybe we should meet a bit norther to my main bunker in Ashgabat.
Or we can attack from 3-5 directions. East (I), Middle (you), West (someone else). Eastern and western groups will just attack, grab what they need and run away to the middle group. Your group may attack and capture middle territory and create a position for reunion. If you won’t succeed, wait for others and we will attack them from 3 different sides at the same time. Or we may wait for our scouts to return with information.
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Post by Lirik on Oct 31, 2014 6:58:59 GMT
So, here is a list of actions we are going to make this Friday. Please comment.
1) Send 14 groups of scouts on Minerva territories. Try to avoid battles, just collect information. They travel in the group of three. A group has two carrier falcons. A group is also equipped with binocular or riflescope. They move on horses and camels one for each soldier and one for luggage. They are to use falcons only in case of emergency.
2) Start patrolling eastern and western borders. Organize a line of hidden guard posts with a radio transmitter, horses, carrier falcons and courier. Group of two soldiers are to patrol their part of border. After finding something interesting, one of them goes to the closest guard post, and they deliver a message to tribe’s shelter. Number of guards?
3) Start mobilization. Create a line of 10-12 mobilization centers at the distance of 4 hours of horse riding from Minerva territories. Each ( of three) main tribes control 3-4 centers. A center is to provide food, water, shelter, weapons for about 150 warriors each. Recourses are provided by all tribes (big and small). Groups of warriors should choose a target to attack, joint the forces if it is needed. Are we to attack this turn or next one?
4) Evacuate women and children to middle territories under a small guard. Some of them may be evacuated to big empty vaults, such as Adriano has. New residents are to participate in building of different fortifying constructions around theirs new homes.
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Oct 31, 2014 10:57:57 GMT
1) Yep that's great.
2) That's a good idea I agree.
I don't know really. How exactly will be guard posts ?
3) Okay.
I will send a vanguard to the point I told you, just above my territory.
To "taste" the terrain and raid it. In fact it's because I really need to get bio-fuel.
Then I wil come back to my mob center for the vehicles.
4) Yep they could go in Shervan, for example. Now it's empty. But yeah I will move all my soldiers to Ashgabat and then to the mob centers.
Lefting for citizen Shervan and Sabzevar.
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Post by Lirik on Oct 31, 2014 11:29:38 GMT
I don't know really. How exactly will be guard posts ?
Well, our borders are long, but as soon as we live in desert there should be just a number of safe routes starting from an shelter or oasis. Lets there will be 4-5 such rioutes on each borderand we need 20-25 soldiers to guard each and territories nearby. So I think about 150 on the eastern site and about 100 to guard our shore of Caspian sea.
I will send a vanguard to the point I told you, just above my territory.
Ok. Let consider it as a probing action. Please write number of soldiers you will send, way they move (vehicles, on foot etc) and other details you want.
Then I wil come back to my mob center for the vehicles.
Don't forget to guard them)
Oh, the first task for our scouts groups is to find exact locations of small villages, it's guards and protection systems and send this information to mob center. There is no need to go back, just send falcon or a courier.
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Oct 31, 2014 12:05:43 GMT
Okay for guards. I guess it's right.
Okay I will send infos to you during the afternoon in some hours I'll try to be qzuick
Okay also for sending the courier.
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