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Place to talk about the trade and diplomacy talks with other factions.
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Post by deltav on Dec 2, 2014 0:46:36 GMT
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Nov 10, 2014 at 8:24am QuoteMessage Options Salutations. It seems our factions have met, and ours comes with peace and goods. Shall we open trade and negotiations?
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Nov 10, 2014 at 3:15pm QuoteMessage Options The Sons of Mohammed welcome you, and look forward to negotiating and trading with you. Our Minister of Trade will have a list of needs and trade goods for you shortly. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 13, 2014 at 7:34am QuoteMessage Options We are eagerly awaiting your offers.
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Nov 15, 2014 at 8:41am QuoteMessage Options
Poke-poke, how about we go on with the negotiations before the turn ends?
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Nov 15, 2014 at 3:58pm QuoteMessage Options Sorry, I've been running the faction by myself, but now Hexapod (gender unrevealed) wishes to join. Could you please add him/her to these messages? Do you have anyone else you want me to add when I send you a message?
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We could use parts for some of our machinery--tractors, earth movers, heavy trucks, and the like. A large percentage of the machines we use came from Russia back in the twentieth century, so anything you can spare would be welcome. We could also use horses, any kind except ponies, cold-water ocean fish, reindeer meat, seal meat--anything that we would consider exotic.
In return, we can offer caviar, dates, figs, cotton, should you require it either in bulk or as fabric, lead, copper, iron, Bauxite, and several of the rare earths.
As far as other negotiations, we could be persuaded to set aside the centuries of bad blood between our people and you, our conquerors, if it is to our advantage. Old hatreds die hard, but they do die--especially if suitably encouraged.
May The Prophet extend you his peace.
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Nov 16, 2014 at 12:15am QuoteMessage Options Could you re-post in-character part in the original message thread? I have Rat (our faction mod) and Admin there. Will add Hexapod as well. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 16, 2014 at 12:27am QuoteMessage Options Also, do you have oil? Judging by the disel boats that met our expedition you do. Reply
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Nov 15, 2014 at 3:58pm QuoteMessage Options Sorry, I've been running the faction by myself, but now Hexapod (gender unrevealed) wishes to join. Could you please add him/her to these messages? Do you have anyone else you want me to add when I send you a message?
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We could use parts for some of our machinery--tractors, earth movers, heavy trucks, and the like. A large percentage of the machines we use came from Russia back in the twentieth century, so anything you can spare would be welcome. We could also use horses, any kind except ponies, cold-water ocean fish, reindeer meat, seal meat--anything that we would consider exotic.
In return, we can offer caviar, dates, figs, cotton, should you require it either in bulk or as fabric, lead, copper, iron, Bauxite, and several of the rare earths.
As far as other negotiations, we could be persuaded to set aside the centuries of bad blood between our people and you, our conquerors, if it is to our advantage. Old hatreds die hard, but they do die--especially if suitably encouraged.
May The Prophet extend you his peace.
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Nov 16, 2014 at 12:27am QuoteMessage Options Also, do you have oil? Judging by the disel boats that met our expedition you do. Reply Quick Reply tav Faction 5
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Nov 15, 2014 at 3:58pm QuoteMessage Options Sorry, I've been running the faction by myself, but now Hexapod (gender unrevealed) wishes to join. Could you please add him/her to these messages? Do you have anyone else you want me to add when I send you a message?
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We could use parts for some of our machinery--tractors, earth movers, heavy trucks, and the like. A large percentage of the machines we use came from Russia back in the twentieth century, so anything you can spare would be welcome. We could also use horses, any kind except ponies, cold-water ocean fish, reindeer meat, seal meat--anything that we would consider exotic.
In return, we can offer caviar, dates, figs, cotton, should you require it either in bulk or as fabric, lead, copper, iron, Bauxite, and several of the rare earths.
As far as other negotiations, we could be persuaded to set aside the centuries of bad blood between our people and you, our conquerors, if it is to our advantage. Old hatreds die hard, but they do die--especially if suitably encouraged.
May The Prophet extend you his peace.
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Nov 16, 2014 at 12:15am QuoteMessage Options Could you re-post in-character part in the original message thread? I have Rat (our faction mod) and Admin there. Will add Hexapod as well. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 16, 2014 at 12:27am QuoteMessage Options Also, do you have oil? Judging by the disel boats that met our expedition you do. Reply
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Nov 16, 2014 at 1:21pm QuoteMessage Options Most of our oil production was from offshore platforms which no longer work. Further, while we have pipelines to deliver fuel oil and diesel for our own needs, we lack any way to export them or the crude oil either.
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Nov 16, 2014 at 1:38pm QuoteMessage Options Well, in small ammounts it can be simply stuffed in the barrels and moved on ships. Reply Quick Reply Faction 5
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Nov 16, 2014 at 1:21pm QuoteMessage Options Most of our oil production was from offshore platforms which no longer work. Further, while we have pipelines to deliver fuel oil and diesel for our own needs, we lack any way to export them or the crude oil either.
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Nov 16, 2014 at 1:38pm QuoteMessage Options Well, in small ammounts it can be simply stuffed in the barrels and moved on ships. Reply
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Post by deltav on Dec 2, 2014 0:57:12 GMT
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Nov 16, 2014 at 1:21pm QuoteMessage Options Most of our oil production was from offshore platforms which no longer work. Further, while we have pipelines to deliver fuel oil and diesel for our own needs, we lack any way to export them or the crude oil either.
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Nov 16, 2014 at 1:21pm QuoteMessage Options Most of our oil production was from offshore platforms which no longer work. Further, while we have pipelines to deliver fuel oil and diesel for our own needs, we lack any way to export them or the crude oil either.
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Nov 16, 2014 at 1:38pm QuoteMessage Options Well, in small ammounts it can be simply stuffed in the barrels and moved on ships.
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Nov 19, 2014 at 4:37pm QuoteMessage Options To our northern neighbors, greetings.
We would be honored if you would establish a trade embassy in Sumqayit. We can easily find a building that will suit your needs, and you've already seen the city.
Most of our tractors are DT-75s from the plant at Volgograd, and the trucks are mostly various models made by Kamaz. We are intrigued, however, by your offer of machinery that runs on wood gas. Does the machinery produce it's own gas from wood, or is it a separate operation? And can we obtain the power plants to replace the diesel engines we use?
The berries in honey offer sounds interesting, and certain members of the Caliph's household somehow learned of the furs, and wish to see them. We have both hardwood and softwood forests of our own, but if you could spare some technicians to help keep the wood-gas engines working, that would be good.
We have a 100 kilogram lead ingot and some 240 kilogram bales of cotton currently available. What goods did you bring?
We are starting to produce barrels for export, but if you could bring some of your own, it would increase what can be transported. Did you want crude or diesel oil?
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Nov 20, 2014 at 6:56am QuoteMessage Options Hail the proud sons of the mountains! And the glorious First Councillor to the Caliph! Have your tractors have to replace the engine and fuel system for use on wood. Engine weight and wood gasifier for him in case of tractor 440 kg. This 440 kg machined with high accuracy good steel. To manufacture such an engine needs to 1000 kg of iron. And a month of work teams of specialists with sophisticated equipment. Wood-fired gas generator in case of large machines placed instead of their fuel systems. The disadvantage of this solution is the small amount of fuel on the machine usually for an hour operation. But if there is a stock of firewood or timber and an ax in the cockpit is not a critical flaw. Install gas-generating units instead of diesel engines possible. We have a wide range of metalworking products, but mostly it's utensils, hand tools, hunting crossbows and guns with black powder cartridges. For you may be interested in hand power saw 4 horsepower knapsack with wood-gas generator, and various pumps. For the production of parts for KAMAZ vehicles, we need to copy the samples, we have not used this technique. We are interested in the crude oil, rubber, tires, lead and rare earth metal, typically iron and steel, iron, tungsten. Skipper Marine Expeditions NRF on behalf of of the Military Collegium. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 21, 2014 at 12:48am QuoteMessage Options Ahem, allow me to translate the part about engines more clearly, Skipper. We can replace the engines of your tractors to your wood gas engines. For a tractor an engine and gas generator would weight about 440kg. The production of such an engine is a complicated process, it requires 1000kg of good iron and a month of work of a skilled team with proper tools.
In case of larger machines such as tractors and trucks the gas generator is placed next to the engine so it can produce fuel out of wood. The main disadvantage of a wood gas engine is that a vehicle with it will be able to operate only for an hour or so without refueling. However, if there is a supply of firewood - when your tractors work toe fields near the settlements, for example, or if you dedicate some space in your trucks to the firewood - that won't be much of a problem since gas generators can produce gas on the go without interrupting the machine's operation. Besides being a cheap alternative to disel for domestic works it would also perform nicely in long expeditions since then you'd be able to obtain fuel by simply chopping down trees along the way. We are also planing to create more energy-efficient fuel for gas generators so you won't have to carry as much of firewood with you. But this is still work in progress, so we can't promise anything yet. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 23, 2014 at 1:40am QuoteMessage Options Can you please-please-please reply at least once in a couple of days? Those negotiations should have been finished two weeks ago.
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Post by deltav on Dec 2, 2014 1:03:22 GMT
deltav Faction 5 deltav Avatar Posts: 23Male Member is Online Nov 23, 2014 at 1:01pm QuoteMessage Options I apologize, Amberlight, but I still don't know if Hexapod wants to have a say in anything, or if I'm running things by myself. The uncertainty is slowing my responses. I'm still unclear how authentic Dan wants this to be, and I'm trying to stay within the bounds of what our area should be able to produce, which means that I'm doing a lot of research. I announced in our official turn post that we are preparing to supply you with what you have asked for, and you should be getting a detailed offer about an hour after I post this. I also still don't know what your delegation brought to trade. We gave you small bars of gold, larger bars of copper, and samples of the food we offered before. I realize that we are pretty much making this up as we go, so here's what I'm going to do. From now on, expect a posted reply to your offer within an hour after I read it (allowing for the time difference, of course--I'm in Mountain Standard Time, USA), and will simply announce what we want and what we have, and assume the deal has been made, and that the amounts each receive is sufficient for our needs. I hope this will make me a good neighbor. Amberlight Global Moderator ***** Amberlight Avatar Posts: 195Male Nov 23, 2014 at 8:43pm QuoteMessage Options Our delegation brought wood of a good quality (5 tons), charcoal (5 tons), small wood gas generator and an engine to show how it works, samples of some metalwork tools (about 50 different ones), hunting rifles (5) and blackpowder cartridges for them (100), hunting crossbows (5), a bit of jewelry that was presented as a memento gift to the leaders and a couple of fur hides. Also some samples of honey, jams and concentrated food. Amberlight Global Moderator ***** Amberlight Avatar Posts: 195Male Nov 24, 2014 at 1:31pm QuoteMessage Options We would like to exchange all those goods for raw cotton. Would you accept that trade? deltav Faction 5 deltav Avatar Posts: 23Male Member is Online Nov 24, 2014 at 2:42pm QuoteMessage Options Yes, I missed the cotton when I was going over your earlier requests. Also add it to the other list of things we included in the main trade agreement. Amberlight Global Moderator ***** Amberlight Avatar Posts: 195Male Nov 25, 2014 at 1:09am QuoteMessage Options We would like to exchange all our sample goods for 250kg of raw cotton you have available as well as 10 kg of led as a sample for our engineers. Will that be a fair trade for you? Well-manufactured hunting weapon, sturdy tools and exotic food for some raw material? Amberlight Global Moderator ***** Amberlight Avatar Posts: 195Male Nov 25, 2014 at 1:37am QuoteMessage Options Also if you have rubber or wheel tires we would much appreciate if you'd prepared them for our return. We would be glad to trade for them when we arrive with a real shipment of goods. deltav Faction 5 deltav Avatar Posts: 23Male Member is Online Nov 25, 2014 at 11:43am QuoteMessage Options Oh, sorry. When I said "yes" I meant that we accepted the trade, but the sentence wasn't clear. The lead is also acceptable. The tires are being prepared even now. Did you need raw rubber as well? All the items mentioned in our offer are being mined, prepared, manufactured, pumped and packaged for shipment. all will be waiting for you when you get back. We look forward to a profitable trading partnership. Global Moderator ***** Amberlight Avatar Posts: 195Male Nov 25, 2014 at 1:21pm QuoteMessage Options I apologize for changing the deal now but we had a bit of a confusion with what we had on our ships. We also created a currency for our trade. Workd is a representation of how much work (work days) was spent on an item and thus it's value to us. So it is a fair way to assign value to items. Sometime I may use "trudd" - a transliteration from Russian, don't get confused. Our ships currently have on board (price per one item): 2 Power saws with portable gas generator - 13750 workds 6 gas lamps - 1100 workds 6 pumps - 5500 workds About 200 kg of different tools - 10 workd per kilo. 5 hunting rifles - 2750 worlds 100 cartridges with blackpowder with steel shots - 2 workds 5 hunting crossbows - 1100 workds 50 simple arrows - 1 workd 2 decorated arrows that look really fancy, more of a decorative piece - 50 workds 5 tons of wood - 1 workd per 1 kilo 5 tons of charcoal - 5 workd per kilo Jams, honey, furs - no exact price yet. 3000 workds for the whole sample shipment of exotic food and furs. Our buying prices: 1 kg of led - 150 workds 1 kg of iron - 100 workds 1 kg of raw kotton - 36 workds 1 kg of rubber - 25 workds Truck tire - 2000 workds Prices for oil and some other things coming soon. So, you have 240 kg of cotton and 100 kg of led, that would make 240*36+100*150=23640 workds. Please tell me what would you like to trade. deltav Faction 5 deltav Avatar Posts: 23Male Member is Online Nov 25, 2014 at 5:41pm QuoteMessage Options Wow, how many workds did all this computation cost you? We only have one ingot of lead available, but I said "some bales of cotton"--we have three of those. We also have access to all the other items we offered. The Caliph owns all mining, metal manufacturing, and oil production. Other manufacturing, agriculture, and fisheries are owned privately, subject to the blessing of the Caliph, and pay a tithe (10%) of their production to him. Do you want the other two bales of cotton? "workd" or "trudd"--no problem. Amberlight Global Moderator ***** Amberlight Avatar Posts: 195Male Nov 26, 2014 at 1:50am QuoteMessage Options We would like to have all raw cotton and all rubber (or better yet, truck tires) you can offer, as well as led. We are also in need of oil-based lubricants - we will offer a higher price for the refined lubes than for the raw oil, but the oil itself will be good as well.
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Post by deltav on Dec 2, 2014 1:14:24 GMT
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Nov 26, 2014 at 2:23am QuoteMessage Options Here is a full list of goods and prices we thought about thus far.
Materials: Wood - 1 per kilo Charcoal - 5 per kilo (price may change)
Weapons: Hunting crossbow - 1100 Crossbow arrow - from 1 to 100, depending on the type Smoothbore pump-action rifle - 2750 Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with steel shot - 2 Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with steel grapeshot - 3 Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with a steel bullet - 4 AK-74 from pre-Collapse reserves - 3960 30-rounds magazine for AK-74 - 330 AK-74 cartridge on smokeless powder - 4 Kalashnikov machinegun from pre-collapse reserves - 9000 Tripod for it - 7000 Machinegun round on smokeless powder - 8 Anti-tank 14,5 caliber gun - 18000 AT round on smokeless powder - 80
Machinery: Gas lamp - 1100 Portable gas generator - 8250 Power saw or a small portable motor (with gas generator) - 13750 Two-wheeled tractor - 16500 Equipment trailer for the tractor (cultivator, plow, winch, trailer, compressor, electrostatic generator, pump) - 5500 115 HP engine with gas generator - 250,000 Vehicles (leasing or renting possible) Cross-country vehicle GAZ-71 - 1'000'000 Tractor DT-75 - 2'000'000 Excavator - 8'000'000
We can also produce building materials such as particle boards and fiberboards, cement, reinforcement rods (sorry, I'm not sure how those iron rods that are used as a skeleton for cement blocks are called in English), heating furnaces with gas as a byproduct (can be used for lighting or small fires to make food), ventilation equipment. Also some industrial machinery as press, grinders, conveyor belts, mining elevators. We will calculate their prices if you will be interested. Reply Quick Reply
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Nov 26, 2014 at 2:34am QuoteMessage Options Spare parts for your machinery will also be priced on demand. I'm not going to in details too much and talk about each specific engine part, that'd be an overkill. More in the line of "simple parts" like screws, nuts and so on and "complex parts" like carburetor or transmission - generalized categories. deltav Faction 5
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Nov 26, 2014 at 3:24pm QuoteMessage Options According to the main planning page, our technology levels are about the same, as is the manufacturing base. We could build our own tractor and truck parts, but there isn't enough demand for some parts to justify building a factory for them, so they are produced by hand by craftsmen. I was hoping you had a supply in stockpiles. If you are making your own machines, however, it would be better for us to buy those.
We have a complete petrochemical industry, and while we disdain plastics for the most part, we do produce rubber. We also produce our own tires, and with a three-day warm-up to get all parts of the factory working at top efficiency we can produce 400 tires per day (two shifts). We had a fairly large stockpile of raw synthetic rubber, and are producing more right now. We started increasing production as of the turn post on Friday, so we have a stockpile of 1100 truck tires right now (Our people talked to your people and got the specifications you use--there was a considerable amount of overlap since we both use Russian designed vehicles). How many do you want?
Mining is also being increased, but it will be about two weeks before we see a significant amount of metal--can you refine ore yourselves?
We are producing standard 208 liter oil drums. We refine basically #1 diesel. Would you prefer that, or crude oil this time? We also produce lubricating oils and grease for ourselves. We package such things in 19 liter cans for ease of transport.
The cotton harvest is being processed right now and the Caliph's tithe (around 700 bales) should be available soon.
We produce our own version of the ancient AK-47, and while the AK-74 is tempting, we don't want to mix cartridges. Perhaps 30 or so for our officers might be acceptable. We also produce NSV heavy machine guns since so many designers and workers came to us from the factory in Kazakhstan when it fell into chaos.
What we need most right now is furs, trucks, tractors, concentrated food and honey. Also another twenty crossbows and 500 more arrows.
We could also use cement and fiberboard.
We will take everything you brought.
The reinforcing rods are called "reinforcing bars" in the US--or "rebar" for short.
How long does it take for your ships to go back to your home port and return? Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 26, 2014 at 7:27pm QuoteMessage Options All goods we have to offer tight now will amount to 121'700 workds.
We will take all the raw cotton you have - 240kg*36=8640 workds All led you have available 100kg*150=15000 40 truck tires - 40*2000=80000 6 barrels of oil lube - 114lt*150=17100
In total 120740.
It takes from one to two weeks for our ships to make the trip. We are dredging the river so it should be one week unless the weather will be particulary bad. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 27, 2014 at 8:52am QuoteMessage Options Speaking of crossbows, we can offer you not only the simple multi-use arrows with steel tip (10 workds), but special ammunition: incendiary/signal flare/lighting - 40-50 wd, tranquilizer injectors - 70, or explosive - 100. Those can be used by your special forces foe silent diversions or as a replacement for flare guns. deltav Faction 5
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Nov 27, 2014 at 10:27pm QuoteMessage Options I posted a reply yesterday, but I don't see it here. To restate the main points:
We have a good manufacturing base, and have been turning out our own AK-47s. The AK-74s you offer are superior, but we don't want to take the risk of getting the cartridges mixed. We could use some 74s for our officers, however. When Kazakhstan fell into chaos, many of the designers and workers from the factory making NSV heavy machine guns fled to us, so we make them, too.
Our tire factory can make 200 tires per day, and we've been running double shifts since Monday. Our petrochemical industry has been turning out synthetic rubber for the tires, if you need raw rubber for other things, it is available.
Our mines have also stepped up production, but it will take two weeks for the refined metal to reach port. If you can do your own refining, we will trade you the raw ore right now at 5% the price of ingots.
We are producing 208 liter oil drums for shipment, and have 19 liter sealed buckets of various grades of lubricating oil and grease.
The cotton crop has been harvested, and is being processed.
We need many, many furs. We also need trucks, tractors, cement, fiberboard, concentrated food, and honey. We'd also like 20 hunting crossbows, and 500 arrows.
Reinforcing rod is called "rebar" short form for "reinforcing bar" in the US. deltav Faction 5
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Nov 27, 2014 at 10:51pm QuoteMessage Options This forum is driving me insane! That post just showed up as I posted the repeat. AAArgh!
500 regular and explosive arrows, 200 each of the others. We do want them, and for the reasons you mentioned.
We need enough furs to make cold weather gear for 6000 men. It gets cold in the Tien Shan mountains.
Take another 12 tires as a goodwill gift from the Caliph. rat Faction 1
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Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45pm QuoteMessage Options We have received your message and think about it. Our steel industry is working at the limit, and to process additional ore can not. We need metals: iron, steel, cast iron, lead, copper, zinc, brass and bronze. Rare earth metals: tungsten, platinum, silver, chromium, beryllium. Requested weapons we are ready to sell. But you need to determine the number of bolts for crossbows by type, with the number of purchased magazines and cartridges to AK-74. According to the vehicles you need to wait Amberlight, I can not do it with the translation of our offer. Our industry is designed for use lubrication of agricultural production, but we are interested in switching to mineral oil. We will increase purchases of machine oil. Total consumption of lubricant of our faction of about one million liters per year. Perhaps we will buy a small batch of diesel fuel or oil for our research and chemical industries. For example, a pair of standard barrels of both. Our needs in all types of tires in the near future will not exceed 30 units of all types in the week. Clarify the desired weight of furs, fiberboard, concentrated food, honey in a week? We have gold production, production of radio stations MW band, field telephones, electrical apparatus and gas welding and metal cutting, gas llamas with built-in small-sized wood-gas generator. Can you sell it.
After creating a trade delegation should come up, as we do not agree on every purchase small items to trade in the household took place without the participation of the players. rat Faction 1
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:00am QuoteMessage Options 500 regular, 500 explosive arrows, 200 tranquilizer injectors, 200 incendiary / signal flare / lightingothers, all right? Number of cartridges and magazines for assault rifles? Are you ready to sell heavy machine guns NSV and ammunition for them? rat Faction 1
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:07am QuoteMessage Options Fur coats for 6,000 people is a lot. We produce annually about 2,000 sets of winter clothing for adults. Immediately able to supply not more than 20 sets of clothes a week, try to ramp up production, if you have this need. rat Faction 1
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:10am QuoteMessage Options Thank Caliph for free! rat Faction 1
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:19am QuoteMessage Options We can produce transportation across the Caspian Sea to you. The shortest way to the Tian Shan from you is through the sea. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 29, 2014 at 2:09pm QuoteMessage Options We can also provide you with gas engines for your existing vehicles and help you re-fit them. We would be able to supply you with greater amount of engines than whole vehicles. deltav Faction 5
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Nov 29, 2014 at 5:37pm QuoteMessage Options I really hate to have to keep apologizing, but I had this very long, detailed post nearly finished when it suddenly disappeared, all but the last four words. This laptop hates me.
The short form of the lost post is this: By the time your ships return, we should have at least some of the refined metals ready for trade. I'm basing my estimates on current production less about 80% to allow for areas where the ore has all been dug up.
The crossbow bolt order is as rat guessed--I was unclear.
We could make our own cold-weather gear from the furs, or if we could get gloves we could make the coats and trousers (pants) out of quilted cotton fabric, stuffed with raw cotton like the Chinese do. I'm guessing that a fur pelt would make two pair of fur-lined gloves, so 3,000 furs?
Our first group of fighters has already left from our marshaling point at Astrakhan, and will be smoothing the path for the following groups, killing bandits, things like that. The other groups should be able to join them as they travel. Reply Quick Reply
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Post by deltav on Dec 2, 2014 1:20:17 GMT
This concludes the Russian section of our negotiations to date. I will do the smaller Turkmen section, and after that, post each separate message as it comes in.
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Post by deltav on Dec 2, 2014 1:31:36 GMT
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Oct 23, 2014 at 11:06am QuoteMessage Options Dear neighbor!
Faction I play for is described as trades and I want to offer you to establish trade relations. We have access to prewar artifacts from the desert and would like to exchange some of them. Also we can act as middlemen between you and Temples. I also welcome any suggestions from you. If you want to trade with us please answer)
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Nov 4, 2014 at 6:04pm QuoteMessage Options Greetings in the name of the Prophet.
We would be interested to examine what you have found in the wastelands to the south, and we would also be interested in horses to help solve a transportation problem we are having.
You may discuss the details with the Envoy we have sent, or you may send a delegation of your own. We would be pleased either way.
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Nov 4, 2014 at 11:44pm QuoteMessage Options Children of Desert welcome you. Gifts that the Desert gives us are numerous and can offer much for wise man. We will be glad to exchange them with you. Our horses are as fast as wind and as hardy as bulls and can become good companions for your warriors. But the desert is a severe place. Our men are used to it, but our women and children need food. Our engineers ask for fuel for their machines. We will send an ambassador to you soon to discuss all details of an agreement that will become a start of true friendship between our great nations. Let the Sands be tender to you. Every hamster has his day! /\..../\ (>•.•<) ..=*=.. (\.||./)~~ This is the fabulous fennec. Copy him to your signature and help him to capture the forum! Reply Quick Reply
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Nov 19, 2014 at 4:52pm QuoteMessage Options In the Name of the Prophet.
Brothers,
Have you decided yet which goods you want, and which goods you wish to trade?
The Prophet smile upon you.
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Nov 21, 2014 at 8:00am QuoteMessage Options Children of Desert welcome you.
Gifts we sent to you recently can give a sign of what we can offer you. Prewar plates and dishes made of silver and porcelain, jewelry, different toys and board games. Books and magazines with medical and technical information and information about our world before the Collapse. Pre-war machinery and electronics, produced with accuracy that is too hard to achieve today. We have many different kinds of it, but not many of each kind. Tell us what goals you want to archive and we will find something to help you.
We are glad to inform you that out nation have established trading relations with our eastern neighbors, who call themselves the Temples. They have stores of refined copper and iron. They would be interested for trading for any technology that might aid common goal of food and shelter. Farming equipment, any plastics still in good condition for irrigation, things of that nature and any communication equipment.
Also we would like to offer you 25 horses this time. Also we have well trained carrier falcons you can use to deliver messages. They are not as fast as radio, but it is really hard to catch them. You also might be interested in camels we have. and camels They are not as fast as horses but more tough.
For that number of animals we ask for 250 kilos of food that can be kept for a long time in dry climate and 100 liters of biofuel.
We also are ready to exchange artifacts and animals for explosives. It can be of any kind, but stable.
We are open to trading discussion.
Let the Sands be tender to you.
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Nov 25, 2014 at 12:56pm QuoteMessage Options In the Name of the Prophet
To the Reverend Mother and our Brothers, greetings. We don't use biofuels since we have petroleum, but the diesel we produce is very similar.
We are preparing everything you wished for (except for the diesel oil instead of biofuel), and they will be ready for you upon your return. Please bring the horses, and all the falcons and camels you can spare. As for the treasures from the Southern Wastes, more printed materials would be appreciated, especially "How-to" books and manuals, communications tech, and weapons. We have heard rumors of a very powerful weapon called a "skuud" or "skuut" and would like some of them if you can find them.
We also propose to set up caravansaris along the roads between our nations. We will put walls around them so that the caravans may protect themselves from storms and marauders.
We look forward to a profitable trading partnership with you.
May the Prophet smile upon our nations.
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Fennecs are on their way to Minerva !
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Nov 28, 2014 at 3:09am QuoteMessage Options Hello good hosts !
We don't need biofuel, maybe you have misunderstand us ? We do need diesel for vehicles.
We are gathering the horses, camels and falcons. Books we're also gathering some and we are copying the others (so we may trade them to other people too). We will try to seek for those Skuud you want, but it'll take more time as we gathered our men for war. A lot of people are preparing for war, so it'll take time to send people to the South Desert.
If you're proposing, then why not ?
Thank you, and may the Desert sands be tender to you !
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Post by deltav on Dec 2, 2014 1:32:38 GMT
This concludes the Turkmen negotiations to date
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Post by deltav on Dec 3, 2014 2:07:14 GMT
Political non-trade negotiations with the Russians:
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Nov 30, 2014 at 1:31am QuoteMessage Options As our trade relations are clearly beneficial to the both of our nations I believe that it would be appropriate to discuss another kind of alliance as well. As you are no doubt aware, there is a rather powerful and expansion-bent organization called Minerva east from your lands. What kind of relations do you have with it? deltav Faction 5
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Nov 30, 2014 at 5:54pm QuoteMessage Options We find their arrogant condescension infuriating, and their monopoly on life saving technology indefensible. We have not fired upon each other, but there is no love for them here, even if we do occasionally trade for whatever crumbs they may offer. How about you? Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Nov 30, 2014 at 8:00pm QuoteMessage Options We feel that their elf-righteous zeal for political expansion is a major threat for all nations hat border Minerva territory. If we are to remain safe from them, we must act together. We also see any victory of yours over Minerva as beneficial to our nation. So if you decide to move against it, know that if you take the northern route around Aral sea, we will allow your forces passage through our territory from Astrakhan and further north, as well as show you the best roads. We may also resupply your troops with food for a reasonable price.
Also, as we offered before, we would gladly provide you with the transportation across Aral sea - be it to Turkmens or Minerva. deltav Faction 5
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less than a minute ago QuoteMessage Options We thank you for that offer of passage. We had originally planned to closely skirt the Caspian Sea and then drop down south of the Aral sea area, but you offer a much better path. We are carefully considering your offer, but we established our forces to take advantage of the path being laid by our advance team before we heard of your willingness to carry our troops by ship, so troop transport by sea would offer little in the way of advantage since the remainder of our forces are already near Astrakhan. Our relations with the Turkmen are currently cordial but guarded since who knows what they are thinking behind those bland smiles. If they prove false it would be nice to be able to land a force behind them.
There are those toward whom our anger burns. You are not among them, and we welcome your friendship. Reply
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Post by deltav on Dec 6, 2014 0:36:29 GMT
More Russian diplomacy.
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7 hours ago QuoteMessage Options We would like to extend you an offer of further cooperation in our actions against Minerva. Our scout units have made good progress in mapping northern area of Minerva and we also have reconnaissance units with experience of stealth operations on their territory. We offer you an exchange of data - we will provide you the information we gathered about Minerva and update you on anything our scouts discover. In return, you will provide with the information about your forces involved in the actions against Minerva and warn us about your plans on that issue so we could adjust our own actions for greater combined effect. It will also be good if you assist our scouting teams if needed. deltav Faction 5
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14 minutes ago QuoteMessage Options That would indeed be helpful both to map the area and to prevent "friendly fire" incidents. If your forces are not already travelling to Minerva, we are planning to improve the roads and paths as we go, and you would be welcome to use them also. We are not building highways, just filling holes, repairing bridges, and digging out landslides. We were planning to use parts of the old E40 roadbed, but if you know an easier, faster, better route, that might help us both. The plains are one thing, but there are only so many paths through the mountains.
And we would be happy to assist your scouts especially if they find some bandits to fight.
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Post by deltav on Dec 6, 2014 20:06:40 GMT
Another "Diplomatic" exchange.
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11 hours ago QuoteMessage Options I will have a team in our HQ look into finding a better route for you. Why are you interested in fighting bandits? Do you want to use them as target practice? deltav Faction 5
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3 minutes ago QuoteMessage Options We have three reasons for fighting bandits. One is revenge for our villagers along our northern coast who have been subjected to attacks from boatloads of these vermin. We would call the "Pirates", but they fear and avoid our sailors, attacking and killing only women and children.
Another is to remove them before the become an annoyance. No bandits means no harassing attacks on our convoy.
And finally, it's just fun.
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Post by deltav on Dec 18, 2014 1:55:29 GMT
Russian diplomacy
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Dec 6, 2014 at 1:08pm QuoteMessage Options Here is the map of the north-west section of Minervan territory we promised. For now we discovered one settlement. It is a farming town with about 1000 citizens. It has minor defenses - several gun emplacements to fend off raider teams. We found no signs of any major Minerva force.
Show us the area you wish our scouts to search for you. Our ranger teams should be able to do a proper sweep of a reasonable area within a week. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Dec 10, 2014 at 12:19am QuoteMessage Options We are conducting a large anti-bandit operation on our southern border, not too far north from the route your forces have taken. To avoid any friendly fire incidents please provide us with the information of location of your troops in the area. deltav Faction 5
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Dec 10, 2014 at 1:25pm QuoteMessage Options I've been trying unsuccessfully to upload a map (yours, actually--modified) with that information. I'm embarrassed to have to ask, but....how did you do it?
Anyway, until I get it figured out, we are just crossing the Ural river at Atyrau. We don't wish to alarm the farming community you mentioned and bring the nosy Minervans out just yet. Would it be possible to quietly travel between them and the Ural Sea, or should we swing north?
We are planning to then travel further east before turning southeast to the area near Lake Issyk-Kul in Kyrgyzstan which we believe to be fairly near Minerva. Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Dec 10, 2014 at 2:41pm QuoteMessage Options We have not attempted to move any sizable force through this route. Our small scout team moved unhindered, but we do not know how will Minerva react if your forces will move so close to their settlements. We can send you our barges to help you cross Ural river. It won't take long to establish a ferrying point. deltav Faction 5
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Dec 10, 2014 at 3:07pm QuoteMessage Options We will go to the north, then, and your barges would be welcome. We have constructed a small bridge/causeway, but it is a bottleneck. how soon would such help arrive?
Also, what would the fee be? Amberlight Global Moderator *****
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Dec 11, 2014 at 12:27am QuoteMessage Options If you wish to head north then we would need to know your exact route and your destination. You approach our borders and we do not wish any misunderstanding to occur. Reply Quick Reply
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