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Post by Admin on Sept 29, 2014 21:39:59 GMT
The last faction, based out of the Caucuses, they want to expand and get oil, Minerva doesn't want them to. Thus, conflict.  Thoughts on this faction? |
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Sept 30, 2014 13:14:04 GMT
I have an idea on them.
They could be a kind of theocracy, from an antic religion which the Caucasians decided to worship again after the apocalypse.
And the religion could be something that says they're superior to the others and they could fight to expand thermselves to bring their religions to other and so they need more oil. Or it's because the religion is older than all the others so it's more right than other believes.
It's really random, but I'd be happy to develop it more later.
Tomorrow or this night.
What do you think guys ?
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2014 13:19:45 GMT
I think it's an interesting idea! To the west, in central Europe, there is a resurgence of the Catholic Church and religious tradition, so a movement counter that could make sense. Although, they'd be more likely to invade/fight Catholic Europe instead of Minerva. So their religion would have to be against something that Minerva does. Maybe their religion is anti-technology? I like the thought and the brainstorm. This is the point of these threads  |
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Sept 30, 2014 13:29:04 GMT
Aw yeah ! I'm happy to help developing that game ^-^ So I'll continue ^^
I see what you mean. And anti-technologic religion seems logic as the Earth has been nuked by humans.
This religion could be the classic "Technology has destroyed the world, let's destroy technology !"
Some kind of moralist religion where technology is only accepted as a mean of moving troops.
Where technology and knowledge isn't allowed but for the priests ?
Or what about they fight like middle-age ? With swords, spears and other ? That will rock !!!
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Sept 30, 2014 13:42:35 GMT
On them I imagine two way :
1) Their religion is eco-friendly and they want to destroy Minerva cuz they have the technologies of before the apo. They think their gods sent the apo because mankind was too technologic and not worshipping the gods.
So they want to fight and use the past technology to do it, and they need oil to invade Europe. So they will first attack Minerva and take all their oil before attacking the pope ^-^
2) Their religion is drastically against technology. They must destroy all industrial technology for their gods and the Earth. Minerva for them is the Devil. But how can they fight with no technology ? Well, priests have all knowledge and technologies. They are the chiefs of their societies (feudalism based on priests not on lords) and their generals, leading troops to victory by the use of prohibited techs. They need to do this crusade until all Eurasia has been cleaned of modern technology.
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2014 13:45:25 GMT
I like the idea of them using technology almost as magical, unholy relics necessary to defeat the "infidels" Small note, Minerva doesn't use fossil fuels any more. They do however have the tech to make biofuels. Maybe instead, these people view OIL as the Earth's blood, being shed for/gifted to them to defeat the infidels. The caucuses do have a lot of oil, maybe they've established some oil harvesting/refining there? All under the guise of a mystical religious rite, of course. |
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Sept 30, 2014 14:00:26 GMT
"idea of them using technology almost as magical, unholy relics necessary to defeat the "infidels""
=> That perfectly fits my thoughts.
"Small note, Minerva doesn't use fossil fuels any more. They do however have the tech to make biofuels."
=> Okay, so maybe they have stocks of biofuel, which are very interesting for the priests.
"Maybe instead, these people view OIL as the Earth's blood, being shed for/gifted to them to defeat the infidels. The caucuses do have a lot of oil, maybe they've established some oil harvesting/refining there? All under the guise of a mystical religious rite, of course."
=> Great idea ! I can see it perfectly :
Ordinary people don't know how to drive a car or what is a cellphone, and so on, they only know basic things like how to make bread, etc.
But when ordinary people enter the "temples" (in the location where the oil is refined, harvested, and where the weapons are built, and where the cars are repaired, etc) they work doing what the priests say to them to do and they listen to the office of the priests.
I see it like a mass where instead of eating the body of Jesus they harvest the blood of Earth (oil) and build weapons from the body of Earth (metal). Priests are truly dictators. But people follow them because they are the only one with knowledge. they keep the knowledge in the temples.
So the temples are factories, in fact.
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Post by Amberlight on Sept 30, 2014 15:09:56 GMT
I'd suggest a more grounded approach: caucuses region is historically muslim. More than that, it was rather aggressive branch of it, the kind that demands all infidels to be killed or subjugated. It would make sense for such violent beliefs to resurface during the violent times.
So their motivation would be to simply expand their land and take what they want because their religion says they can and even should.
I strongly dislike those "pure;y evil" factions tropes, so let's make it clear that it is only a portion of Caucasian people, some tribes that went on a violent road and that they are not all well loved by their own people too.
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2014 16:19:37 GMT
The fun part is we (and hopefully more players) can discuss and figure out what makes the most sense and/or what is the most fun. Because maybe there was a backlash against radical islam and the role it played in WW3, leading to a very different religion like Adriano is imaging.
Also maybe a radical jihadist islam would work better for the Arab faction?
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Post by Amberlight on Sept 30, 2014 16:50:16 GMT
That would be too cliche. And, if you didn't hear about Caucasian islamists it doesn't mean it isn't there. Take the war in Chechnya as a recent example, and the crazy stuff local terrorists were doing to Russian captured soldiers.
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Oct 1, 2014 7:42:03 GMT
I'd suggest a more grounded approach: caucuses region is historically muslim. More than that, it was rather aggressive branch of it, the kind that demands all infidels to be killed or subjugated. It would make sense for such violent beliefs to resurface during the violent times. So their motivation would be to simply expand their land and take what they want because their religion says they can and even should. I strongly dislike those "pure;y evil" factions tropes, so let's make it clear that it is only a portion of Caucasian people, some tribes that went on a violent road and that they are not all well loved by their own people too. Seems interesting, but I'm sorry, I don't want to get in that thing. You're too much realistic. Where's the fun of playing a game where factions can't be a bit crazy and unrealistic ? If you want realism, just do it in real life. Go to Ukraine with friends and play war. Here, I try to do something fun and cool. And you're all moralist with your "it ain't like that in real life" and so on. Take it easy and let us have fun ! God damn it, it's not an anticipation novel, it's a game ! Do you get it ? So we could be able to make up something funnym, crazy and where everyone could have fun. And if you have fun in realism, then your life must be boring. I'll let other people decide. If everyone is agreeing with you, I'll just leave, that's fine. I hope people will agree with me. |
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Post by Amberlight on Oct 1, 2014 8:04:53 GMT
Well, Dan did claim that he aims to make Demon Archives a realistic sci-fi. And this game will be used to plot the global story. So I try to follow the comic's agenda as close as possible.
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2014 11:53:02 GMT
Amberlight is right that realistic is important. I don't want to suddenly have an wizards show up with their elven armies or anything On the other hand, if every group is the same sort of realistic desperate people, it won't be as fun/interesting a game. So it's ok to have things be a little more interesting/weird sometimes. It doesn't have to be 100% realistic (this is a sci-fi), just believable enough that it COULD happen this way. The whole reason I can do this game with you all is because the precise identity of each of these factions isn't that important/disruptive to my global story/plot. Also, Adriano, play nice. Insults, especially ones based on politics and nationalities have no place here. So I'd like to get some more brainstorming here. No decisions have to be reached yet. Now is the time to propose lots of different ideas, and when we have enough users I can divide you into factions and you/we can vote and decide |
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Post by Adriano The Fabulous Fennec on Oct 1, 2014 15:20:50 GMT
Okay, I get it...
Well, sorry Amberlight, what I said was mean... Sorry again.
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Post by Lirik on Oct 2, 2014 16:19:04 GMT
Several ideas about Caucasia.
Caucasia is the region with hard past, severe present and determinate future. Actually, there are 3 different groups I the region.
Radical Muslims is the first one. Generally they live in small communities on mountain heights. Their weapons are not bad but old, they know how to use it perfectly and they are ready to do so. They fight infidel for a very long time. Their fight started in 1829 against Russian empire. Then they fought against USSR and later with American troops. Centuries of wars brought hate to infidel into their hearts and they blame infidel for the Collapse. The fact that does not fear death, are able to coordinate attacks of all groups and rich experience helped them to capture the power in the region. Now Caucasia live under the Shariah law in its most radical version. Those who were caught while stealing lose their hand, drinking wine is punished with 80 strikes of lash and death penalty for losing faith. Well, rough laws are quite appropriate for such rough times… But there are not many warriors of faith and such strict control was established only in middle, mountain and historically Muslim areas.
The mysterious Patriarch rules the region from his forsaken in mountain heights abode. The Hashshashin Guard is under his direct control. The Hashshashin Guard is the most battle-worthy and the most religious part of warriors of faith. True hashshashin use only words that are written in the Koran. They call themselves the Hashshashins to remember great warriors of past. They don’t smoke hashish, they consume another substance given to them by their Arabic brothers. That magical mixture does not lead to intoxication, but improves reaction, coordination, dexterity, stamina and physical power. After a long period of consumption combined with special training and praying it turn a human into supersoldier. However they pay for power with years of their live and intellect. A 30 years old hashshashin is an old man, who can hardly add 2 and 2. But they don’t fear death at all and die fighting much earlier their retirement.
Moderate Muslims is the second group. They generally live in valleys of Caucasia mountains. They focus on agriculture and grazing cattle (generally goats). Valleys are quite small so villages are small too. Village is ruled by elder, Muslim priests – mullahs – also have much authority. They know not only religious literature but also some more practical skills such as foreign languages, repair skills or medicine. Only the biggest villages, that are situated on most important routes, have special protection systems. A stranger firstly should find a road to a mountain village and those who find it are usually accompanied by muttava.
From the very beginning muttava was a religious police, which controls following of Shariah laws. At the moment they also act as fire department, police and emergency control.
Christians of different nations is the third group. They generally live in northern and southern areas of the region in the territories of ex- Russia and ex -Georgia. They are under control of the Hashshashins and pay them for “protection” (generally from hashshashins themselves). Christians pay them with remains of weapons, ammunition and skilled people. Many people with valuable skills were captured and became workers. At the very beginning Muslims used forced but when some workers returned to their homes after a common 15 year contract and told other about living in the mountains everyone became a bit calmer. Those villages, that have nothing to pay for protection have to give their infants. Allah's warriors always need new soldiers.
The true treasure of Caucasia is water. Only in mountain heights there are sources of mineral water. In the world, where a simple pure water is rare healing water from Caucasian sources became a legend. It is said that this water cures diseases, heals wounds and improves sexual potency. There are many rumors about it.
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Несколько идей о Кавказе.
Кавказ – регион с нелегким прошлым, суровым настоящим и предсказуемым будущим. Фактически в этом регионе можно выделить три группы.
Первая – радикальные мусульмане. Проживают в многочисленных поселениях в горах. Неплохо вооружены довоенным оружием, прекрасно умеют с ним обращаться и готовы пускать его в ход. Эти люди воют с неверными очень давно. Их битва началась в 1829 году против войск российской империи, потом против войск СССР, потом с американской миссией. Века войн поселили в их сердцах ненависть к неверным и именно их они обвиняют в наступлении Катаклизма. Отсутствие страха перед смертью, налаженная система координации атак отрядов и богатый опыт партизанской войны помогли им быстро захватить власть в регионе. Теперь на Кавказе царит Шариат в самом радикальном его варианте: отрубание кисти за воровство, 80 ударов плетью за употребление вина, смертная казнь за вероотступничество. Что ж, суровый закон неплохо прижился в новом суровом мире… Однако поскольку воинов веры не так уж много, строгий контроль удалось установить лишь в центральных горных исконно мусульманских областях.
Руководит регионом таинственный Старец из своей затерянной в горных вершинах обители. Ему подчиняются гашишины, наиболее религиозное и боеспособное звено воинов веры. Настоящий гашишин настолько суров, что говорит только словами из Корана. Гашишинами они называют себя лишь в память о легендарных воинах древности. Употребляют же они не наркотики, а другое вещество, переданное братьями арабами. Эта чудесная смесь не дурманит разум, она увеличивает реакцию, координацию, ловкость, выносливость и силу. При длительном употреблении, сопряженном со специальными тренировками и молитвами она превращает человека в настоящего сверхсолдата. Однако платить за силу придется многими десятилетиями жизни и умственными способностями. В 30 лет гашишин уже старик, который с трудом может сложить 2 и 2. Впрочем, ни один из них не боится смерти, да и умирает в бою гораздо раньше.
Вторая – умеренные мусульмане. Проживают в долинах кавказских гор. Занимаются преимущественно земледелием и выпасом коз. Долины достаточно маленькие, соответственно и люде в каждой общине так же немного. Во главе поселения как правило стоит старейшина, большим авторитетом также пользуются религиозные деятели – муллы. Они владеют не только знанием религиозной литературы, но и некоторыми более практичными навыками, как например знание иностранных языков, навыки ремонта техники или медицины. Какие –то особые защитные сооружения присутствуют лишь в крупнейших поселениях на главных маршрутах. Чужак должен сначала найти дорогу среди гор, а те, которые находят как правило путешествуют под присмотром муттава.
Изначально муттава в исламе – особая религиозная полиция, следящая за исполнением законов Шариата. В настоящее время на Кавказе также выполняет функции пожарной охраны, полиции и МЧС.
Третья – христиане различных народностей. Проживают преимущественно в северной части, а также южнее Кавказских гор. Проживают преимущественно на территории бывшей России и Грузии. Находятся под властью гашишинов и платят им дань в обмен на «защиту» (преимущественно от самих же гашишинов). Дань платят остатками оружия и боеприпасов, а также специалистами. Многие обладающие ценными для гашишинов навыками были угнаны в батраки. Первоначально работников приходилось забирать насильно, однако после того как некоторые отработав стандартный пятнадцатилетний контракт стали возвращаться домой и рассказывать о жизни в горах напряжение несколько спало. Те же поселения, которым нечем заплатить вынуждены отдавать младенцев. Воинам Аллаха всегда нужны новые солдаты.
Настоящим сокровищем Кавказа является вода. Только высоко в горах сохранились источники минеральной воды. В мире где и обычная чистая вода редкость, вода из целебных источников Кавказа стала настоящей легендой. Говорят, она лечит болезни, заживляет раны и улучшает потенцию. Много чего говорят.
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