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Jan 26, 2016 20:01:49 GMT
Post by mg on Jan 26, 2016 20:01:49 GMT
Because Aegis is busy defending the capitol of Minerva, most towns and villages are left without protection from enemy factions. I propose arming the most loyal towns with cheap, simple rifles. The cost to produce the new weapons is minimal, and the weapons are simple to operate even if the user has never touched a gun before. The weapons are superior to an average raider's weapon because they are new, and have not been abused for 100 years. However, they are not good enough to be a threat if they are captured by enemies. Because the machinery for producing rifled barrels and other parts still exist in Russia, hiring them for production could improve relations with the Neo-Russian Federation. Russian birch is very good for making gun stocks, so Russians could also be hired to cut trees.  Militia Rifle Specifications
Caliber: 7.62x39, the same used by an AK Muzzle Velocity: 730 mps (2400 fps) Action: controlled-feed Mauser bolt action with fixed full-length ejector Ammunition Feeding: 10 + 1 internal box magazine filled from stripper clips Barrel: 47 centimeters (18.5 inches) chrome lined, twist rate 1:25 centimeters (1:10 inches) Sights: Hooded front post, sliding tangent leaf rear aperture Sight Range: 50 to 450 m (55 to 492 yd) Sight Radius: 63.5 cm (25 in) Total Length: 103.7 cm (40.8 in) Total Weight (loaded): 3.28 kg (7.23 lbs) Length of pull: from trigger to shoulder stock, 36.6 cm (14.4 in) Trigger Pull Weight: no less than 1.25 kg, no more than 2.25 kg (3 to 5 pounds) Stock: preferably birch wood, pine laminate is also acceptable. Wood is sealed with 50/50 boiled linseed oil and pine resin.
Bayonet SpecificationsBlade Length: from tip to finger guard, 35.8 cm (14.1 in) Total Length: 50 cm (19.7 inch) Hand Grip: full stick tang, wood scales, no exposed metal. Brass rivets are covered by wood plugs. Cast iron pommel contains spring-loaded mounting stud. Blade Steel: 1085 carbon steel, zinc phosphate parkerized coating. Blade Geometry: double-bevel "Scandinavian" grind, 25 degree angle.  Must be capable of firing 5 shots inside a 5 cm circle at 100 m (approximately 2 minutes of angle) when rifle is clamped in a vise at the factory. Bayonet mounts to a stud on the stock, not the barrel: this improves accuracy. Remember to follow listed rules above in previous post: keep the rifle pointed in a safe direction. Do not touch the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. Assume the gun is loaded unless you have seen that it is not. Always wear earplugs and earmuffs when your practice shooting or you will be deaf. Aim at the center of your enemy's chest. If he is wearing armor, then aim at his belt buckle. A standard AK cleaning kit is stored inside a hollow cavity in the shoulder stock. There is no brush rod, so a string is used to pull the brush from the chamber out through the barrel. Clean your rifle often or it will stop working and your enemy will kill you.  7.62x39 was selected instead of 5.45x39 to allow use as a hunting weapon. Not recommended for prey larger than Argali and Roe Deer. Only use heavy weight soft point bullets for hunting meat, and do not attempt to shoot further than 150m unless necessary. Mount bayonet before hunting wolves or boar. If you are hunting foxes, use solid point bullets because soft points will destroy the fur. Do not attempt to shoot bears or enemy vehicles. Never hunt alone and always tell someone where you are going to hunt before you leave. |
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Post by rat on Jan 26, 2016 19:16:18 GMT
I'm sorry, my bad. 956th testing base on Issyk-Kul is still active. Here, have a photo from this base as an excuse, Victory Day - 9th of May, 2015. Last Russian torpedo boat in Kyrgyzstan.
Прошу простить, ошибся. 954-й испытательная база России на озере Иссык-Куль продолжает жить. В качестве компенсации - фотографии с парада Дня Победы 9 мая 2015 года с этой базы: osh-t.turmush.kg/ru/news:131258Последний торпедный катер российского флота несет боевую службу в горах Киргизии.   "Squall" was on sale for anyone interested for a long time already: www.ktrv.ru/production/68/693/695/Although it is a rather specific weapon, so not many are interested.
"Шквал" давно предлагается всем желающим на продажу, официальный сайт производителя: www.ktrv.ru/production/68/693/695/Но характеристики у него весьма специфичны, так что особо желающих его брать нет. |
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Post by mg on Jan 26, 2016 18:58:14 GMT
Two words: communication balloons.
Воздушные шары связи.   1-If nobody shoots it down: This is a cheap way to have radar, visual cameras, and radio contact over a space larger than Kyrgyzstan. 4-5 of them could observe both Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and even western China if it's near the mountains. Because it is connected to the ground by a physical wire, there is no signal to jam or block. It requires no fuel and can remain in the air forever because does not need fuel. If local villagers don't like the balloon for some reason, offer them free long-range communication that can't be blocked like a satellite. For example, they could send a telegram instead of making a 3-day journey on horseback with extreme weather conditions, pursued by wolves and cannibals.
1 - Если никто его не собьёт: Дешевая платформа для радара, оптических камер и радиоантенны для связи, покрывающей территорию большую, чем Киргизия. 4-5 таких шаров могут обеспечить наблюдение за Казахстаном и Киргизтаном, и даже восточным Китаем. Так как он привязан к земле кабелем, то и нет сигнала, который можно заглушить. Ему не требуется топливо и он может оставаться в воздухе практически бесконечно. Если местным жителям воздушные шары почему-то придутся не по душе, предложите им доступ к бесплатной связи, куда более надежной, чем через спутник. Например, они могут послать телеграмму, вместо того, чтобы провести три дня в дороге под ужасной погодой, преследуемыми волками и каннибалами.  To avoid suspicion and maintain the element of surprise, I strongly advise you to disguise the balloons as floating wind farms. They can feed on the wind that blows across the Himalayas and Tian Shan mountain range. It can also be pulled down to earth in the event of bad weather.
Чтобы избежать подозрений и скрыть факт наблюдения, настоятельно советую замаскировать их под летающие ветряки. Они могут извлекать энергию из дующих с Гималаев и Тиан Шан ветров. В случае опасной погоды его можно притянуть к земле. 2-If someone does shoot it down: You will know where the shooter was and what weapon they used. Repair the balloon and launch it again.
2 - Если кто-то его собьет: Мы узнаем, откуда стреляли и какое оружие использовалось. Зашейте дырку и запустите его снова. |
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Post by mg on Jan 26, 2016 18:26:05 GMT
The Navy of India uses the test site at Issyk-kul. The Indians want a high-speed torpedo like the VA-111 Shkval, to scare the Chinese.
Флот Индии использует полигон Иссык-Куль. Они хотят высокоскоростную торпеду вроде ВА-111 Шквал, чтобы пугать ей китайцев.
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2016 12:37:59 GMT
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Post by rat on Jan 26, 2016 7:18:14 GMT
For a precise shot in the mountains you need to know the distance, elevation, atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity and wind on the flight path of a bullet. And for the target to stay still while the marksman takes the shot. If the marksman has the time to prepare he can land a precise shot.
So the fire support should pin the enemy down and draw their attention for the marksman have an opening for a precise shot.
Для точного выстрела в горах нужно знать дальность, угол места, атмосферное давление, температуру и влажность, ветер на трассе полета пули. Ну и чтобы цель никуда не убегала, пока по ней пристреливаются. У хороших стрелков, когда есть время подготовить выстрел, он будет точным.
Главное, чтобы пулеметчик прижал врага огнем и отвлек на себя, давая время на подготовку точного выстрела бойцу с винтовкой.
As Leslie Groves said: "All that remains is to catch the spy."
Как сказал Лесли Гроувс, руководитель Манхэттенского проекта: "Осталось поймать шпиона".
The test site on Lake Issyk-Kul is no longer used after the collapse of USSR.
Yes, it's anti-submarine ship. Although the complex of guided missiles UKSK supports anti-ship missiles and cruise missiles, not only anti-submarine missiles.
Испытательный полигон на озере Иссык-Куль после распада СССР не используется российским флотом.
Да, это противолодочный корабль. Хотя комплекс управляемого ракетного оружия УКСК позволяет применять противокорабельные и крылатые, не только противолодочные ракеты.
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Post by mg on Jan 26, 2016 6:45:53 GMT
Spoiler alerts, Dan: use them.
Unless Konstantin and SOPCA are a red herring to distract us from the real bad guys, of course. But then who is controlling the puppeteer...
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Post by mg on Jan 26, 2016 6:39:15 GMT
If Minerva can build tanks and powered armor, I think they can afford new guns. PKM sights are for area targets, not individuals. Automatic fire is required to hit anything. M110 rifle uses telescope sights made for precision, and rifle weight is less than PKM.
I agree. Good guns will not make a difference if the enemy is prepared to defeat them. Before modernization, information security. There is probably a spy in Minerva. Rearmament is still a good idea, but only after the spy is captured. Then, surprise enemy with new weapons.
Did you draw ships for Lake Issyk-kul? The Russian Navy uses the lake to test torpedoes.
Если Минерва может строить танки и силовую броню, то, наверное, они могут позволить себе новые винтовки. ПКМ эффективен против групповых целей, а не единичных бойцов. Чтобы во что-то попасть необходимо вести огонь очередями. Винтовка M110 использует оптический прицел для точного огня, и весит она заметно меньше ПКМ.
Я согласен. Новое оружие не изменит расстановки сил, если противник будет готов противодействовать ему. Прежде, чем начинать модернизацию необходимо обеспечить информационную безопасность. Скорее всего в Минерве есть шпионы. Перевооружение - идея хорошая, но только после того, как эти шпионы будут пойманы. После чего можно будет застать врага врасплох новым оружием.
Ты рисуешь корабли для озера Иссык-Куль? Российский флот использует его для испытания торпед.
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Post by rat on Jan 26, 2016 6:20:02 GMT
Clothes from salvaged materials. Ancient Greeks didn't have clothes in the way we understand it - their tunics and togas were pieces of fabric held by belts and knots rather than sowed attires. After the apocalypse the concept may be reborn with the use of more modern materials. Pieces of plastic film can be melded together or bonded by a duct tape to form clothing. It can be insulated by porous materials like construction foam. If needed other pieces like armor plates may be added by glueing or duct taping them. It can be further dyed by aerosol dyes for aesthetic or camouflage purposes.
Быстро создаваемая одежда. Древние эллины не имели одежды в нашем понимании - тоги и туники были скорее кусками ткани, правильно одеваемые и завязываемые на фигуре. На новом технологическом уровне и в условиях пост-апокалипсиса старая концепция может возродится на новом уровне. Одежда из нескольких кусков пластиковой пленки или пористого материала, скрепленная спаиванием или кусками липкой ленты. В качестве утеплителя и декоративного материала может использоваться пена, вроде современной монтажной строительной пены. При необходимости одежда и обувь могут укрепляться прикрепляемой той же липкой лентой или клеем кусками более прочного материала, вплоть до брони. Для декоративного эффекта и максировки готовая одежда и обувь может окрашиваться аэрозольными красками. Examples of such clothing:
Примеры применения подобной технологии сегодня:   Термос с использованием подобной технологии:
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Post by rat on Jan 26, 2016 3:39:54 GMT
The US had the old M14 rifle that was retired decades ago, so they had many in storage. Older rifles like the M14, FN FAL, and HK G3 have the effective range of a stationary machine gun, and they use common 7.62mm NATO. It would be easy for Minerva to make new versions because they are wealthy and they do not have a large military. They can afford excellent weapons and training. I advise rifles that use 6,5x51mm because it is often used by professional shooters during 1,000m competitions. The shape of this bullet is almost identical to the 7.62 NATO, but it has less recoil and flatter trajectory. It also has narrower 6.5mm diameter, so it penetrates armor better than 7.62mm   (left image is an American M14 in Afghanistan. Right image is size comparison. Middle bullet ins 6.5, far right side bullet is 7.62) You are correct: training and discipline are more important than a good gun. Tenzin's squad was seen firing at the robot, but none of them destroyed it. There are two possibilities 1- they did not hit the target, or 2- they hit the target but it was protected by armor. If they used a better gun, they would have hit the target more often and damaged it more severely. More soldiers would have survived if the robot was wounded early in the battle.  (6.5mm = 260 Rem, 7.62 = 308 Win) (vertical = penetration of armor) (horizontal = range) (size of circle = recoil) It is true that the soldiers used bad strategy, but I suggest that we should also blame weak weapons. They would not have won the battle, but they would have increased their chances of survival from "very low" to "low". I agree that small details would not change the general outcome, but you misunderstand my goal. There was no way to win the battle with the robot, but I believe improved weapons could have made a small difference. I prefer any improvement, even an improvement so small that it would not be noticed by a large army in the real world. Minerva has an army so small that a small improvement is valuable. This is United States Marine Corps Designated Marksman Rifle. It was later replaced by M39 rifle. Which is now being replaced by the M110 rifle,which has effective range up to 1000 meters. Which is 300 meters less than the range of PKM on a tripod.
Это винтовка United States Marine Corps Designated Marksman Rifle. Затем замененая на винтовку М39. Которая сегодня меняется на винтовку М110, чья прицельная дальность доведена до 1000 метров. Что на 300 метров меньше, чем прицельная дальность ПКМ на станке. Enemies that destroyed Tenzin's squad knew the exact parameters of their weapons and equipment, their training regimen and tactics. The deathbot and it's tactics were developed with those facts in mind, precisely to counter them. If Keleres had different weapons and training the enemy would develop a different way to destroy them.
Противнику команды Тензина по сюжету были подробно известны характеристики их оснащения и вооружения, программы подготовки солдат и используемая ими тактика. Робот и его тактика были разработаны на основе этих данных. Будь у команды Тензина другое вооружение и подготовка - для их уничтожения был бы разработано другое средство, тактика и план. The same thing happened to mines. When armoured vehicles were outfitted with mine-resistant platings Taliban started to use "Afghanian surprises" and Iraqi fighters started to use mines that fired an armor-piercing projectile from the side. Weapon and training of our soldiers determines how much manpower and resources the enemy would need to destroy them. But if the enemy is well-prepared and properly calculated the amount of required force, designed a good plan and our intelligence was unable to predict or discover it the people will die despite the hardware they have.
Это как с минами. Начали широко использовать миноустойчивые бронеавтомобили - против них стали широко применять "Афганские сюрпризы", а в Ираке - мины, поражающие транспортные средства в борт ударным ядром. Вооружение, подготовка солдат на тактическом уровне означает наряд сил и расход средств на их уничтожение для противника. Но если противник подготовился, правильно расчитав свои силы и составив правильный план, а наша разведка этот план не вскрыла - наши солдаты погибнут. Therefore, until Minerva can ensure it's information security any rearmament program will be a doubtable endeavour. It is possible that Minerva will expend more resources on the rearmament than the enemy will on countering new Minervan hardware. Which means that in the end it will only weaken Minerva.
Поэтому до создания эффективной системы информационной безопасности в самой "Минерве" эффективность любых программ перевооружения будет крайне сомнительна. Вполне возможно, что расходы "Минервы" на перевооружение своих сил будут больше, чем расходы противника на модернизацию своих под новое оснащение "Минервы". А это означает, что программа перевооружения "Минервы" ее ослабит, благодаря информационному преимуществу противника. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not criticizing your weapon designs and the rearmament of Minerva may take place in the story. I can totally understand you, designing the ships as a hobby. Unfortunately that is not very applicable here.
Прошу понять меня правильно. Я не в коем случае не критикую ваши проекты оружия, и программы перевооружения "Минервы" действительно могут идти во время событий комикса. Я хорошо вас понимаю, поскольку сам для своего удовольствия рисую корабли. Но к миру комикса мое творчество мало применимо, к сожалению.  |
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Post by mg on Jan 25, 2016 21:30:15 GMT
The US had the old M14 rifle that was retired decades ago, so they had many in storage. Older rifles like the M14, FN FAL, and HK G3 have the effective range of a stationary machine gun, and they use common 7.62mm NATO. It would be easy for Minerva to make new versions because they are wealthy and they do not have a large military. They can afford excellent weapons and training. I advise rifles that use 6,5x51mm because it is often used by professional shooters during 1,000m competitions. The shape of this bullet is almost identical to the 7.62 NATO, but it has less recoil and flatter trajectory. It also has narrower 6.5mm diameter, so it penetrates armor better than 7.62mm (left image is an American M14 in Afghanistan. Right image is size comparison. Middle bullet ins 6.5, far right side bullet is 7.62) You are correct: training and discipline are more important than a good gun. Tenzin's squad was seen firing at the robot, but none of them destroyed it. There are two possibilities 1- they did not hit the target, or 2- they hit the target but it was protected by armor. If they used a better gun, they would have hit the target more often and damaged it more severely. More soldiers would have survived if the robot was wounded early in the battle. (6.5mm = 260 Rem, 7.62 = 308 Win) (vertical = penetration of armor) (horizontal = range) (size of circle = recoil) It is true that the soldiers used bad strategy, but I suggest that we should also blame weak weapons. They would not have won the battle, but they would have increased their chances of survival from "very low" to "low". I agree that small details would not change the general outcome, but you misunderstand my goal. There was no way to win the battle with the robot, but I believe improved weapons could have made a small difference. I prefer any improvement, even an improvement so small that it would not be noticed by a large army in the real world. Minerva has an army so small that a small improvement is valuable. |
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Post by rat on Jan 25, 2016 15:58:42 GMT
Спасибо, Янтарь! Извини, что гружу тебя. Некоторые неявные моменты есть, вроде разницы между сошками - "bipod" (прицельная дальность пулемета ПКМ - до 800 метров), и станком - "tripod" (прицельная дальность того же пулемета благодаря нему возрастает до 1300 метров). Но это лучше, чем моя Гугль-тарабарщина. У меня на днях был наглядный пример, как это выглядит, когда на другом форуме американец пытался через Гугль-транслейт на русском писать. |
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Post by Amberlight on Jan 25, 2016 15:37:57 GMT
I'll do that for Rat's and MG's discussion. Relevant posts are moved to this new thread. Let's reserve this thread for general suggestions and ideas.
Так я и сделаю. Обсуждение Rat'а и MG перенесены в эту новую тему. Эту же тему оставим для общих идей и предложений. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 25, 2016 15:07:22 GMT
We can also make sub-threads dedicated to specific, longer discussions. "Military Tactics", etc.
Можем также создать и специализированные темы для длинных обсуждений, о тактике или чем-то ещё.
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Post by Amberlight on Jan 25, 2016 14:38:03 GMT
Постараюсь обеспечить проведение "боксерского матча" как смогу. Предупрежу, что я временами долго и задумчиво смотрю на более специфичные военные фразы и термины, переводя, наверное, далеко не всегда корректно.
I'll do my best to facilitate the "boxing match". Although I am often find myself perplexed by more specific military therms and may sometimes translate them incorrectly.
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