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Here is a full list of goods and prices we thought about thus far.
Materials:
Wood - 1 per kilo
Charcoal - 5 per kilo (price may change)
Weapons:
Hunting crossbow - 1100
Crossbow arrow - from 1 to 100, depending on the type
Smoothbore pump-action rifle - 2750
Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with steel shot - 2
Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with steel grapeshot - 3
Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with a steel bullet - 4
AK-74 from pre-Collapse reserves - 3960
30-rounds magazine for AK-74 - 330
AK-74 cartridge on smokeless powder - 4
Kalashnikov machinegun from pre-collapse reserves - 9000
Tripod for it - 7000
Machinegun round on smokeless powder - 8
Anti-tank 14,5 caliber gun - 18000
AT round on smokeless powder - 80
Machinery:
Gas lamp - 1100
Portable gas generator - 8250
Power saw or a small portable motor (with gas generator) - 13750
Two-wheeled tractor - 16500
Equipment trailer for the tractor (cultivator, plow, winch, trailer, compressor, electrostatic generator, pump) - 5500
115 HP engine with gas generator - 250,000
Vehicles (leasing or renting possible)
Cross-country vehicle GAZ-71 - 1'000'000
Tractor DT-75 - 2'000'000
Excavator - 8'000'000
We can also produce building materials such as particle boards and fiberboards, cement, reinforcement rods (sorry, I'm not sure how those iron rods that are used as a skeleton for cement blocks are called in English), heating furnaces with gas as a byproduct (can be used for lighting or small fires to make food), ventilation equipment. Also some industrial machinery as press, grinders, conveyor belts, mining elevators. We will calculate their prices if you will be interested.
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Spare parts for your machinery will also be priced on demand.
I'm not going to in details too much and talk about each specific engine part, that'd be an overkill. More in the line of "simple parts" like screws, nuts and so on and "complex parts" like carburetor or transmission - generalized categories.
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According to the main planning page, our technology levels are about the same, as is the manufacturing base. We could build our own tractor and truck parts, but there isn't enough demand for some parts to justify building a factory for them, so they are produced by hand by craftsmen. I was hoping you had a supply in stockpiles. If you are making your own machines, however, it would be better for us to buy those.
We have a complete petrochemical industry, and while we disdain plastics for the most part, we do produce rubber. We also produce our own tires, and with a three-day warm-up to get all parts of the factory working at top efficiency we can produce 400 tires per day
(two shifts). We had a fairly large stockpile of raw synthetic rubber, and are producing more right now. We started increasing production as of the turn post on Friday, so we have a stockpile of 1100 truck tires right now (Our people talked to your people and got the specifications you use--there was a considerable amount of overlap since we both use Russian designed vehicles). How many do you want?
Mining is also being increased, but it will be about two weeks before we see a significant amount of metal--can you refine ore yourselves?
We are producing standard 208 liter oil drums. We refine basically #1 diesel. Would you prefer that, or crude oil this time? We also produce lubricating oils and grease for ourselves. We package such things in 19 liter cans for ease of transport.
The cotton harvest is being processed right now and the Caliph's tithe (around 700 bales) should be available soon.
We produce our own version of the ancient AK-47, and while the AK-74 is tempting, we don't want to mix cartridges. Perhaps 30 or so for our officers might be acceptable. We also produce NSV heavy machine guns since so many designers and workers came to us from the factory in Kazakhstan when it fell into chaos.
What we need most right now is furs, trucks, tractors, concentrated food and honey. Also another twenty crossbows and 500 more arrows.
We could also use cement and fiberboard.
We will take everything you brought.
The reinforcing rods are called "reinforcing bars" in the US--or "rebar" for short.
How long does it take for your ships to go back to your home port and return?
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All goods we have to offer tight now will amount to 121'700 workds.
We will take all the raw cotton you have - 240kg*36=8640 workds
All led you have available 100kg*150=15000
40 truck tires - 40*2000=80000
6 barrels of oil lube - 114lt*150=17100
In total 120740.
It takes from one to two weeks for our ships to make the trip. We are dredging the river so it should be one week unless the weather will be particulary bad.
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Speaking of crossbows, we can offer you not only the simple multi-use arrows with steel tip (10 workds), but special ammunition: incendiary/signal flare/lighting - 40-50 wd, tranquilizer injectors - 70, or explosive - 100. Those can be used by your special forces foe silent diversions or as a replacement for flare guns.
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I posted a reply yesterday, but I don't see it here. To restate the main points:
We have a good manufacturing base, and have been turning out our own AK-47s. The AK-74s you offer are superior, but we don't want to take the risk of getting the cartridges mixed. We could use some 74s for our officers, however. When Kazakhstan fell into chaos, many of the designers and workers from the factory making NSV heavy machine guns fled to us, so we make them, too.
Our tire factory can make 200 tires per day, and we've been running double shifts since Monday. Our petrochemical industry has been turning out synthetic rubber for the tires, if you need raw rubber for other things, it is available.
Our mines have also stepped up production, but it will take two weeks for the refined metal to reach port. If you can do your own refining, we will trade you the raw ore right now at 5% the price of ingots.
We are producing 208 liter oil drums for shipment, and have 19 liter sealed buckets of various grades of lubricating oil and grease.
The cotton crop has been harvested, and is being processed.
We need many, many furs. We also need trucks, tractors, cement, fiberboard, concentrated food, and honey. We'd also like 20 hunting crossbows, and 500 arrows.
Reinforcing rod is called "rebar" short form for "reinforcing bar" in the US.
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This forum is driving me insane! That post just showed up as I posted the repeat. AAArgh!
500 regular and explosive arrows, 200 each of the others. We do want them, and for the reasons you mentioned.
We need enough furs to make cold weather gear for 6000 men. It gets cold in the Tien Shan mountains.
Take another 12 tires as a goodwill gift from the Caliph.
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We have received your message and think about it.
Our steel industry is working at the limit, and to process additional ore can not.
We need metals: iron, steel, cast iron, lead, copper, zinc, brass and bronze.
Rare earth metals: tungsten, platinum, silver, chromium, beryllium.
Requested weapons we are ready to sell. But you need to determine the number of bolts for crossbows by type, with the number of purchased magazines and cartridges to AK-74.
According to the vehicles you need to wait Amberlight, I can not do it with the translation of our offer.
Our industry is designed for use lubrication of agricultural production, but we are interested in switching to mineral oil. We will increase purchases of machine oil. Total consumption of lubricant of our faction of about one million liters per year.
Perhaps we will buy a small batch of diesel fuel or oil for our research and chemical industries. For example, a pair of standard barrels of both.
Our needs in all types of tires in the near future will not exceed 30 units of all types in the week.
Clarify the desired weight of furs, fiberboard, concentrated food, honey in a week?
We have gold production, production of radio stations MW band, field telephones, electrical apparatus and gas welding and metal cutting, gas llamas with built-in small-sized wood-gas generator. Can you sell it.
After creating a trade delegation should come up, as we do not agree on every purchase small items to trade in the household took place without the participation of the players.
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500 regular, 500 explosive arrows, 200 tranquilizer injectors, 200 incendiary / signal flare / lightingothers, all right? Number of cartridges and magazines for assault rifles?
Are you ready to sell heavy machine guns NSV and ammunition for them?
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:07am QuoteMessage Options
Fur coats for 6,000 people is a lot. We produce annually about 2,000 sets of winter clothing for adults. Immediately able to supply not more than 20 sets of clothes a week, try to ramp up production, if you have this need.
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Thank Caliph for free!
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We can produce transportation across the Caspian Sea to you. The shortest way to the Tian Shan from you is through the sea.
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We can also provide you with gas engines for your existing vehicles and help you re-fit them. We would be able to supply you with greater amount of engines than whole vehicles.
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I really hate to have to keep apologizing, but I had this very long, detailed post nearly finished when it suddenly disappeared, all but the last four words. This laptop hates me.
The short form of the lost post is this: By the time your ships return, we should have at least some of the refined metals ready for trade. I'm basing my estimates on current production less about 80% to allow for areas where the ore has all been dug up.
The crossbow bolt order is as rat guessed--I was unclear.
We could make our own cold-weather gear from the furs, or if we could get gloves we could make the coats and trousers (pants) out of quilted cotton fabric, stuffed with raw cotton like the Chinese do. I'm guessing that a fur pelt would make two pair of fur-lined gloves, so 3,000 furs?
Our first group of fighters has already left from our marshaling point at Astrakhan, and will be smoothing the path for the following groups, killing bandits, things like that. The other groups should be able to join them as they travel.
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Here is a full list of goods and prices we thought about thus far.
Materials:
Wood - 1 per kilo
Charcoal - 5 per kilo (price may change)
Weapons:
Hunting crossbow - 1100
Crossbow arrow - from 1 to 100, depending on the type
Smoothbore pump-action rifle - 2750
Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with steel shot - 2
Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with steel grapeshot - 3
Cartridge 12/70 on black powder with a steel bullet - 4
AK-74 from pre-Collapse reserves - 3960
30-rounds magazine for AK-74 - 330
AK-74 cartridge on smokeless powder - 4
Kalashnikov machinegun from pre-collapse reserves - 9000
Tripod for it - 7000
Machinegun round on smokeless powder - 8
Anti-tank 14,5 caliber gun - 18000
AT round on smokeless powder - 80
Machinery:
Gas lamp - 1100
Portable gas generator - 8250
Power saw or a small portable motor (with gas generator) - 13750
Two-wheeled tractor - 16500
Equipment trailer for the tractor (cultivator, plow, winch, trailer, compressor, electrostatic generator, pump) - 5500
115 HP engine with gas generator - 250,000
Vehicles (leasing or renting possible)
Cross-country vehicle GAZ-71 - 1'000'000
Tractor DT-75 - 2'000'000
Excavator - 8'000'000
We can also produce building materials such as particle boards and fiberboards, cement, reinforcement rods (sorry, I'm not sure how those iron rods that are used as a skeleton for cement blocks are called in English), heating furnaces with gas as a byproduct (can be used for lighting or small fires to make food), ventilation equipment. Also some industrial machinery as press, grinders, conveyor belts, mining elevators. We will calculate their prices if you will be interested.
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Nov 26, 2014 at 2:34am QuoteMessage Options
Spare parts for your machinery will also be priced on demand.
I'm not going to in details too much and talk about each specific engine part, that'd be an overkill. More in the line of "simple parts" like screws, nuts and so on and "complex parts" like carburetor or transmission - generalized categories.
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According to the main planning page, our technology levels are about the same, as is the manufacturing base. We could build our own tractor and truck parts, but there isn't enough demand for some parts to justify building a factory for them, so they are produced by hand by craftsmen. I was hoping you had a supply in stockpiles. If you are making your own machines, however, it would be better for us to buy those.
We have a complete petrochemical industry, and while we disdain plastics for the most part, we do produce rubber. We also produce our own tires, and with a three-day warm-up to get all parts of the factory working at top efficiency we can produce 400 tires per day
(two shifts). We had a fairly large stockpile of raw synthetic rubber, and are producing more right now. We started increasing production as of the turn post on Friday, so we have a stockpile of 1100 truck tires right now (Our people talked to your people and got the specifications you use--there was a considerable amount of overlap since we both use Russian designed vehicles). How many do you want?
Mining is also being increased, but it will be about two weeks before we see a significant amount of metal--can you refine ore yourselves?
We are producing standard 208 liter oil drums. We refine basically #1 diesel. Would you prefer that, or crude oil this time? We also produce lubricating oils and grease for ourselves. We package such things in 19 liter cans for ease of transport.
The cotton harvest is being processed right now and the Caliph's tithe (around 700 bales) should be available soon.
We produce our own version of the ancient AK-47, and while the AK-74 is tempting, we don't want to mix cartridges. Perhaps 30 or so for our officers might be acceptable. We also produce NSV heavy machine guns since so many designers and workers came to us from the factory in Kazakhstan when it fell into chaos.
What we need most right now is furs, trucks, tractors, concentrated food and honey. Also another twenty crossbows and 500 more arrows.
We could also use cement and fiberboard.
We will take everything you brought.
The reinforcing rods are called "reinforcing bars" in the US--or "rebar" for short.
How long does it take for your ships to go back to your home port and return?
Amberlight
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Nov 26, 2014 at 7:27pm QuoteMessage Options
All goods we have to offer tight now will amount to 121'700 workds.
We will take all the raw cotton you have - 240kg*36=8640 workds
All led you have available 100kg*150=15000
40 truck tires - 40*2000=80000
6 barrels of oil lube - 114lt*150=17100
In total 120740.
It takes from one to two weeks for our ships to make the trip. We are dredging the river so it should be one week unless the weather will be particulary bad.
Amberlight
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Nov 27, 2014 at 8:52am QuoteMessage Options
Speaking of crossbows, we can offer you not only the simple multi-use arrows with steel tip (10 workds), but special ammunition: incendiary/signal flare/lighting - 40-50 wd, tranquilizer injectors - 70, or explosive - 100. Those can be used by your special forces foe silent diversions or as a replacement for flare guns.
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Nov 27, 2014 at 10:27pm QuoteMessage Options
I posted a reply yesterday, but I don't see it here. To restate the main points:
We have a good manufacturing base, and have been turning out our own AK-47s. The AK-74s you offer are superior, but we don't want to take the risk of getting the cartridges mixed. We could use some 74s for our officers, however. When Kazakhstan fell into chaos, many of the designers and workers from the factory making NSV heavy machine guns fled to us, so we make them, too.
Our tire factory can make 200 tires per day, and we've been running double shifts since Monday. Our petrochemical industry has been turning out synthetic rubber for the tires, if you need raw rubber for other things, it is available.
Our mines have also stepped up production, but it will take two weeks for the refined metal to reach port. If you can do your own refining, we will trade you the raw ore right now at 5% the price of ingots.
We are producing 208 liter oil drums for shipment, and have 19 liter sealed buckets of various grades of lubricating oil and grease.
The cotton crop has been harvested, and is being processed.
We need many, many furs. We also need trucks, tractors, cement, fiberboard, concentrated food, and honey. We'd also like 20 hunting crossbows, and 500 arrows.
Reinforcing rod is called "rebar" short form for "reinforcing bar" in the US.
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This forum is driving me insane! That post just showed up as I posted the repeat. AAArgh!
500 regular and explosive arrows, 200 each of the others. We do want them, and for the reasons you mentioned.
We need enough furs to make cold weather gear for 6000 men. It gets cold in the Tien Shan mountains.
Take another 12 tires as a goodwill gift from the Caliph.
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Nov 27, 2014 at 11:45pm QuoteMessage Options
We have received your message and think about it.
Our steel industry is working at the limit, and to process additional ore can not.
We need metals: iron, steel, cast iron, lead, copper, zinc, brass and bronze.
Rare earth metals: tungsten, platinum, silver, chromium, beryllium.
Requested weapons we are ready to sell. But you need to determine the number of bolts for crossbows by type, with the number of purchased magazines and cartridges to AK-74.
According to the vehicles you need to wait Amberlight, I can not do it with the translation of our offer.
Our industry is designed for use lubrication of agricultural production, but we are interested in switching to mineral oil. We will increase purchases of machine oil. Total consumption of lubricant of our faction of about one million liters per year.
Perhaps we will buy a small batch of diesel fuel or oil for our research and chemical industries. For example, a pair of standard barrels of both.
Our needs in all types of tires in the near future will not exceed 30 units of all types in the week.
Clarify the desired weight of furs, fiberboard, concentrated food, honey in a week?
We have gold production, production of radio stations MW band, field telephones, electrical apparatus and gas welding and metal cutting, gas llamas with built-in small-sized wood-gas generator. Can you sell it.
After creating a trade delegation should come up, as we do not agree on every purchase small items to trade in the household took place without the participation of the players.
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:00am QuoteMessage Options
500 regular, 500 explosive arrows, 200 tranquilizer injectors, 200 incendiary / signal flare / lightingothers, all right? Number of cartridges and magazines for assault rifles?
Are you ready to sell heavy machine guns NSV and ammunition for them?
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:07am QuoteMessage Options
Fur coats for 6,000 people is a lot. We produce annually about 2,000 sets of winter clothing for adults. Immediately able to supply not more than 20 sets of clothes a week, try to ramp up production, if you have this need.
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:10am QuoteMessage Options
Thank Caliph for free!
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Nov 28, 2014 at 12:19am QuoteMessage Options
We can produce transportation across the Caspian Sea to you. The shortest way to the Tian Shan from you is through the sea.
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Nov 29, 2014 at 2:09pm QuoteMessage Options
We can also provide you with gas engines for your existing vehicles and help you re-fit them. We would be able to supply you with greater amount of engines than whole vehicles.
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I really hate to have to keep apologizing, but I had this very long, detailed post nearly finished when it suddenly disappeared, all but the last four words. This laptop hates me.
The short form of the lost post is this: By the time your ships return, we should have at least some of the refined metals ready for trade. I'm basing my estimates on current production less about 80% to allow for areas where the ore has all been dug up.
The crossbow bolt order is as rat guessed--I was unclear.
We could make our own cold-weather gear from the furs, or if we could get gloves we could make the coats and trousers (pants) out of quilted cotton fabric, stuffed with raw cotton like the Chinese do. I'm guessing that a fur pelt would make two pair of fur-lined gloves, so 3,000 furs?
Our first group of fighters has already left from our marshaling point at Astrakhan, and will be smoothing the path for the following groups, killing bandits, things like that. The other groups should be able to join them as they travel.
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